The Police reactions during these riots have been interesting.When they were outnumbered they kept their distance and watched the shops being looted but in this video, see a couple of kids on bikes and they're straight in.Also,continuing to strike that person when they're on the floor ,to me,is unnecessary.
Frankly, I think all this call for more severe punishment, while understandable, is a bit like closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. Punishment where punishment is due, but it has never been proved to act as a deterrent. Crime exists even in highly repressive regimes. Somebody has got to put his thinking cap on and get to grips with the root of the problem which is what has made these people turn into criminals in the first place. Unless that is done, no amount of cracking down is going to put an end to such uncontrollable anger and rage. It becomes no more than an act of sheer desparation.
Yes Lutz, the problem does need to sorted at the roots but I'm with the others, lets prune the life that has flourished from the roots of past years of hand wringing wet left wing liberalism. Let's start with a clean sheet and wipe the life that is lower than life that crawls out of toilets. Cameron says they will face the full force of the law. What? The same full force that the student demonstrators felt? It's laughable because only a few went to court. The mass majority were released without charge despite the CPS saying they had winnable cases against them all.
Put the army on the streets and let it be known looters will be shot on sight. Kill a couple and it will soon stop.
This isn't disenfranchised youth. Parksy puts it admirably.
The police, judiciary, politicians etc. need to do a complete turn on how we bring kids up. Parliament needs to remove the shackles of the police, teachers etc. and put those same shackles on those whose fault it is why we are in this situation, the human rights lawyers, liberal politicians and quango's like the ERHRC although I've heard good news that the ERHRC has been recommended to be disbanded. Anyone heard from Chami Chakrabati lately? Don't worry, she'll be out of the woodwork defending the lowlives human rights soon and we the tax payers will be paying her.
Unbelievably some, even on this forum, believe there's nothing wrong with Britain. We haven't seen half of it yet.
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Sorry Mullsy but if I was the cop I would hit him and if he went down I'd want to make sure he stayed down. Treat like as like. I'm sure the thug wouldn't have stopped stamping on a victims head once they went down no more than if the cop let him get back up he'd cooly let them arrest him. Also it might send out a message to those who think it's their God given right to loot and burn. No, not one bit of sympathy. If they can't stand the pain of having a cracked nut don't do the crime.
My point in highlighting the criminal venality of some politicians within the context of this latest manifestation of criminal lawbreaking on the streets is meant to show that self serving politicians of all parties who's abandonment of their electorate and complete dereliction of duty over the past several years have allowed this criminal underclass to flourish unchecked despite repeated warnings.
Another issue would be that if politicians who embezzle thousands of pounds can escape any legal consequences for their criminality then there's little wonder that the low life Shameless generation chancers who have been breaking in to shops and businesses, committing robbery with violence etc have no respect for the law or for society as a whole.
The writing has been on the wall for years, kids having kids, no structure, discipline or family life and the liberal elite presiding over this cess-pit society and making excuses for the underclass with bleeding heart soft toothless justice and the avoidance of any consequences for actions taken.
Where did you lift that photo from? Is it actually taken at one of the riots? If I was at home at the moment, I might have been able to extract the exif and check myself. Unless anyone else can do that? (Although in hindsight, the press are very sneeky and do remove the exif for obvious reasons).
This looks like the same PHOTO ( click throught to the 7th )................
Thanks for that, looks like it is a photo from the riots. But, the Police are allowed to have a refreshment break for god's sake........
As it happens Lisa the photograph was widely available on the internet this morning and I 'lifted' it because it was under a headline which said that because of a large influx of police London was mainly quiet last night.
Many of these police reinforcements had been bussed in from other parts of the country including Manchester, so London was hunky dory with cops sitting around while Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol, Nottingham ,Wolverhampton and West Bromwich burned. Thieves were quite openly stealing from businesses while outnumbered police largely allowed them to get on with it to such an extent that three Birmingham men were killed and ambulances couldn't be allowed through to them on Health and Safety grounds because police were busily 'protecting' Selfridges in the city centre where there was no real trouble instead of forging a path through whatever was in the way of medical help for these victims.
I'm not trying to blame ordinary police officers, the entire fabric of policing needs a damn good shake up starting with Chief Constables having to seek election from the general public based on their past record and intended policies to regain control of our streets, estates and open spaces. Boots on the ground zero tolerance policing should be used rather than the present day over reliance on CCTV surveillance which allows the criminal element to always take the initiative and set the agenda.
It's as though the police are prepared to allow criminal activity to take place without interference and officers then try to arrest and charge offenders using CCTV evidence after the event. Even if a low life is convicted this is little consolation to the small shopkeeper or business person who'se livelihood has been destroyed and who can't get insurance because the streets have been given over to these thugs.
B.T.W. Lisa, if the scummies don't take meal breaks when they are robbing and destroying their neighbourhoods then why should the police expect to take meal breaks when desperate business men and women have no protection whatsoever?
Are you sure? I wouldn't be surprised if such action would result in really hardcore criminals making use of firearms, too, and then you've got an all out war on your hands. Sad as it may sound, but if they've got nothing to lose, they might even get a kick out of shooting a few police officers or blowing up a police station in retaliation. It's only a matter of time before that happens. It's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility. What I'm trying to get at is that something has got to be done to prevent the whole problem from escalating further. Be hard on them by all means, but that alone is not going to solve the problem. Resolute action on the part of the police is not going to get rid of underlying discontent. We've seen the same in the ghetto riots in LA in 1993 and in the 'banlieues' around Paris with a predominantly immigrant population. But time is not on the side of the government, just one year before the Olympics.
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A lot of very good script on here.
In such law flouting situations , temporary Martial Law is the only swift remedy for these mindless scum bags. They need to taste real fear and get a dose of their own medicine. Two very young girls were on BBC radio yesterday saying they did it to hurt the rich. The rich for them were the shopkeepers!
I know we are supposed to be a civilised nation, we don't even have water cannon for immediate use, but the only way to deal with these scum is to remove the velvet glove and bare the iron fist. We've been far too soft for far too long.
All these liberal law abiding do gooders have had their way and it hasn't worked.
Why on earth were our Magistrates letting some of them off with a verbal. Give them a broom and shovel and make them clear up the mess they created.
As said earlier send them all on a tour of Afghanistan and see how they like that.
Finally I know this is not politically correct but I can't help feel we need Nick Kersey ( aka Charles Bronson) from the Death Wish Movies. Nothing like a good vigilante group to give these scum a fright.
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The reports this morning show that not all the looters are the unemployed, benefits scroungers, or 'feral youth' - amongst those arrested were a teaching assistant, a graphic designer, someone about to join the army, a youth worker, a hairdresser, university students, a fork-lift truck driver......... and many others!
I think the lack of morality which affects feral youth is also more common than we think amongst many of the younger generation - even those who appear to be part of the working majority.
Apparently a woman in a Currys uniform was caught looting teh currys store! IMHO jails should be made harsher to serve as a deterrent and whn sefving a sentence you have to carry out some form of work even if ti means working in a road gang! Perhaps if TVs, X-boxes and the like were removed and prisoners were shut up in their cells from 8pm with lights out at 10pm until 6am the next day without any TV and given a basic diet, maybe they would reconsider causing mayhem or re-offending.
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Maybe it would help in some instances, but punishment has never been proved to act as a deterrent against first offenders.
Seeing the results on telly and the actual footage of the nights events, I was amazed to see the amount of onlookers just casualy walking amongst the hooligans, Surely a curfew banning all people away from the hotspots, would have enabled the Police to arrest the actual looters on site.
Listening to Cameran and his side kick on TV, they have no idea what to do, about time they stood up for Great Britian and told the Euro Politicians that we will rule Britian our way, chuck the Human rights bill into oblivion where it belongs, Bring back discipline into our schools , Increase the local Police force we never see any around our area now .
Heaven knows what they are planning for next year.