hi, before this turns into an episode of "the three yorkshiremen", can I say that I have a new van, modern tow car, top of the range cadac and I even shop in M&S food hall on occaision. This is a quirk of fate, some good fortune and augmented by hard work. Snobbery is not automatic to those who are fortunate enough to "have", so please don't assume that a new van means that we are twitching our curtains in disgust at the folks in an older van. Being a good and decent person is not measured by the wealth of our possessions but by our actions toward each other. I have met a number of people that fall into LBs "miserable git" category; this was not related by the cost of their outfit.
BTW, I was civil and smiled at all of them. Bad behaviour on the part of one person is never ever justification for bad behaviour on the part of the second person. (not many people seem to know this).
Right lets get this straight before any misunderstanding goes any further "Mel weres the other two yorkshiremen".
no seriously if people read all the posts in there entireity and in context without just picking out a few words and assuming that the meaning of what was said is somehow a different to what was accually said or meant to be said and therefore inferes a meaning that is not the general view of the poster conserned, then we might as well not bother to answer any previous post or even bother to post at all.
it seems from the posts made after my reply to LL that somehow the words "new van" "CCmember" "new car" "windbreaks" equal "snobbish miserable gits" it does NOT or was it ever worded in such a way as to infer that this was allways the case, flippin eck seeing has how my van was new when we bought it and was at that time towed by a 1year old car the same inferance could be made that I myself fell into that catagory.but dont tell the wife though or she will start wearing her tiar'a on site again.
I tried to point out in a previous post that some of the looks one gets when pulling on to a site and we ALL get them are usually just curiosity and nothing else "like getting on a bus" it has nothing to do with the age of ones van or tow car, however it was later pointed out that on a rare occasion you do meet some odd people on a site, and yes the odd snob thown in, LL seems to have been unlucky in fact that their was more than one where he went, added to the insecurity and self conciousness that ones feels as a new caravanner assumed that the age of his van was a factor, this is not new however as several posts have been made by people making the same observation. does the CC and it sites have more snobbery than any other I can't really say as we hardly ever use them the priceing policy puts us off, as graham of derby put it if it was not for the mayday and insurance we probably wouldn't bother being members, we have looked around roundtree park and carnon downs but could not see what all the fuss was about and abolutely not worth the money in comparison to nearby commercials may be it's the presumed exclusive persona of the sites that are part of the problem. however wether on a CC site or not you will still encounter the odd one,
in my post I relayed my own findings based on over 40 years as a caravanning veteran and 60+years of life's experience this is the basis that I make every post on and nothing else? I will say again as clear as possible in my view a "snob" or to put it another way a person who suffers delusions of gradure are to be found anywhere not just in a caravan park, you can take the snob out of their van and they will just be the same, but a caravan is just a caravan wether its new or old.
owning a big new caravan does not make you one or owning a new shiny car and putting up a few windbreaks certianly does not quaify and I never suggested that it did,
however I repeat from my exprience if you meet the type on site that LL came across they will probably have all of the above and probably be the same ones sat laughing and joking in the awning till 1am, sending the kids to fetch the water so her high heels dont get dirty in the grass while he washes the van and car for the third time in a day,even when it's not moved for a week.
it's a wonderful pastime people watching we all do it if you dont your missing something.
I hope this clears up any misunderstanding you may have about my post Mel and besides the obvious no woosie could ever be a snob far too degrading
ps. whats a cadac is it the same as a cadilac with doors missing.
Well I hope this is not going to get out of hand, sorry everyone, this was not my intention, I only wanted to know if other campers had experienced the same as me or was I just unfortunate, which it now appears I was.
I know now that this is common on most sites and armed with that knowledge I know I can deal with it better in the future, all your input has been valuable, and if you read my original post that is all I wanted. Please don’t make it a issue about who has got what, I wrote the post as I was feeling at the time, it is clear to me now that I was overreacting and a bit unlucky at my chosen site, it has not put me off, I will be keeping my old van for another season, I can’t wait to get back on the road and if we are lucky enough to get a summer this year I will be making sure I enjoy it.
Well I hope this is not going to get out of hand, sorry everyone, ..................................
Please don't worry, it wont
It can sometimes be slightly difficult to express oneself clearly without being misunderstood when using an internet forum.
This is because many of us who left school a long time ago became used to communicating via telephone and now we are back to using the written word which gives no clues such as voice inflection.
No matter where you go there will always be the odd incident that makes you stop and think but reading back through the thread most who have written more or less agree with each other.
that's what caravanning is all about Dave, getting out there when the sun shines, immaterial of the outfit you have,
I am glad you are reassured now and better able to accustom yourself to caravanning life and in reality your question has been answered succesfully.
in time you will be able to adapt to any situation you find yourself in and the more experience you gain the easier it becomes,
we all have our own experiences and sometimes share them on the forum, as these are undoutedly different and so oppinions will also differ sometimes this leads to a bit of banter between posts, but there's no malace involved at all,
the fact of the matter is everyone is different in some cases as different as chalk and cheese the only common factor is the tin box behind the car and where we choose to park it,
LL, I'm glad that these experiences have not put you off our glorious hobby.
If ever you enter a site and see an old Classic Royale, and green Classic Range Rover, come and talk to us. We're not snobs, although we might well have the very best outfit on the site!
(Oh, and if you're carrying a bottle, you'll be even more welcome!)
Well well I've learnt something new from this thread.
I never knew Sir Chunky's wife also wore a Tiara. Always thought that was the province of Lady B.
I've only ever met two "snobs" or whatever you want to call them. Loudmouths , got this got that , been here there etc, new Swift Conqueror and a new Jag.
This loudmouth basically told us all on site anything less than a Conqueror was cr*p. He knew it all and seemed to have all the frills like yards of windbreaks and gallons of suntan lotion.
Sat in my awning we watched him break camp and hitch up. With his mover he positioned the cararavan hitch over the towball. His wife was going to work the jockey wheel winder. He put his hand under the hitch to feel if it was in line with the ball!!
His stupid wife then released the main jockey wheel clamp. His hand was very badly crushed and the screams were awful.
But us old lags sprang to the rescue , freed his hand and he was rushed off to hospital. He returned later in the day very contrite and grateful, apologising how stupid he and his wife were . He thought he'd move on to a motor home!
So if I am on site I am quite happy being watched just incase I or SWMBO do something stupid that could harm us.
However what goes on behind closed doors is my business alone.
Well it is clear to me we have a divide, the happy helpful campers and the grumpy miserable barstewards, I never said everybody with a new caravan and car is a snob, we did meet a lot of nice people on the different sites we went to, the snobbery only seem to come from the CC sites hence the reason for this thread I was just wondering ‘after being out of the camping seen for many years’ was this the normal behaviour on these caravan sites, I have been on sites that are privately owned and we don’t seem to get it there. Whether you have worked hard of just been fortunate to be able to afford all new is great and I hope you get what you deserve with is many years enjoyment.
I just couldn’t get my head around the attitude of some campers on these CC sites it was like it there exclusive club and unless you fit in you are not welcome. As for being stirred at, I quickly realised this was normal. Sorry if this sort of thing has been repeated many times before, that just tells me it is more common than I thought. I thank you all for your support and encouragement in sticking two fingers up (in a nice sort of way) to those who should know better.
As we are CC members and fall into your category of being snobs, hopefully you will stop using CC sites leaving more room for us snobs to enjoy the sites. LOL!
Are well, Surfer, I might just rejoin, and visit as many CC Sites as possible just to pay you all back for your heart-warming and kind hospitality.
There's always The Friendly Club
Those already on site probably stare just as much but for over 55s theres an age discount, free camping nights, and if you are into budget touring coupled with friendly fellow campers I can recommend the local C&CC district association rallies.
We were supposed to be away on one last week but Herself wasn't very well so we'll leave it till next time, there's no pre booking required.
If Myself, Dustdog and LB were to be honest on this subject the three of us being dog owners and probably have at least two dogs each, I think we probably stare at any new arrivals just to see if they have dogs too so I guess others may think we are snobsbut no we just like to know how close we have to have the dogs tethered I personally wouldnt care what other thought of my outfit like LL its all bought and paid for