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And about time!! 4 years 1 month ago #300120

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My wife and I were DELIGHTED yesterday to see, in front of me, on the M5 a car with a small camping trailer on the hard shoulder of the motorway having just been pulled over by a very highly visible (once he had activated his blue lights) unmarked police car.



This CLOWN had just blasted past about 6 or 7 cars in the outside lane of the motorway at speeds well in excess of 80mph, with the trailer bouncing along behind.



I can tell you that those of us who live down here in Devon, Somerset and Cornwall, are sick and tired of smart-asses who totally ignore the speed limits and lane restrictions when towing. The usual inevitable result is that somebody spreads their trailer or caravan (and family) all over the Motorway causing hours of delay for the rest of us.



Nice to see that the police are having a purge on such behaviour!!



Makes the roads safer for everybody.

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I agree with you Keith. Vehicles towing small trailers seem oblivious to the dangers (or their drivers are, rather). Is there a danger that drivers forget they have a trailer on the back when they can't see it in their mirror?



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And about time!! 4 years 1 month ago #300122

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No Joanna.



I think that they are THICK and that they just choose to break the law!!



They KNOW damn well that they shouldn't be in the outside lane of a motorway with a trailer, and they also KNOW that they shouldn't be doing above the national speed limit for towing a trailer on a motorway (60mph).



But then, these sort of clowns are the ones who, as this guy was, get caught and then moan about the police having nothing better to do when they get points on their licences!!

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If they "forget" they are towing a trailer on the back then they are need taking off the road as they are showing lack of awarness.



As kieth says they are thick or just trying it on and this one got caught out, deserves all he get.

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And about time!! 4 years 1 month ago #300124

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I couldn't agree more.



Now before you all slate me for speeding, I was simply following the flow of traffic but this is what I saw on the M4 yesterday.



Transit motorhome in the outside lane doing 80Mph and swaying violently as it was on the brink of cotrolable being driven by a moron!!



A sorento towing a caravan in lane 1 with a nose weight so heavy that the rear wheel had half it's tyre side wall hidden by the wheel arch.



That was just two examples of leisure vehicles being used inappropriately. Then of coarse there was the usual array of vans and trucks in the outside lane illegally.



So another day in the office of pillocks on the motorway.



I'm pleased to hear of a policeman actually putting the hair drier down and doing some real detective work. But I bet the idiot driver only got a speeding ticket as they are processed ten times quicker and cheaper than a court case for dangerous driving!!!



I know a few coppers and they say they preffer to "click,print and nick" for speeding, to sitting in the office filling out reams of A4 to do someone for other motoring offences.



As I've said before the police would make a bomb if they started nicking lane hogg's, vans in the outside lane, lorries not able to overtake their fellow lorries without being in Lane 2 for a mile or more, to name just a few of the irratateing things we see on motorways hourly let alone daily.



Unfortunately untill the offences above are cleaned up, you won't see safer motorways. Unfortunately we don't have the strict rulings here that you see on German Autobans. These have no top speed limit but very strict control of the two lanes and if you dare to disregard the law they will and do pounce with vigor.



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And about time!! 4 years 1 month ago #300125

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I couldn't agree more.



Now before you all slate me for speeding, I was simply following the flow of traffic but this is what I saw on the M4 yesterday.



Transit motorhome in the outside lane doing 80Mph and swaying violently as it was on the brink of cotrolable being driven by a moron!!



A sorento towing a caravan in lane 1 with a nose weight so heavy that the rear wheel had half it's tyre side wall hidden by the wheel arch.



That was just two examples of leisure vehicles being used inappropriately. Then of coarse there was the usual array of vans and trucks in the outside lane illegally.



So another day in the office of pillocks on the motorway.



I'm pleased to hear of a policeman actually putting the hair drier down and doing some real detective work. But I bet the idiot driver only got a speeding ticket as they are processed ten times quicker and cheaper than a court case for dangerous driving!!!



I know a few coppers and they say they preffer to "click,print and nick" for speeding, to sitting in the office filling out reams of A4 to do someone for other motoring offences.



As I've said before the police would make a bomb if they started nicking lane hogg's, vans in the outside lane, lorries not able to overtake their fellow lorries without being in Lane 2 for a mile or more, to name just a few of the irratateing things we see on motorways hourly let alone daily.



Unfortunately untill the offences above are cleaned up, you won't see safer motorways. Unfortunately we don't have the strict rulings here that you see on German Autobans. These have no top speed limit but very strict control of the two lanes and if you dare to disregard the law they will and do pounce with vigor.



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Thats right Steve,except the one point i fail to see and agree with is the mention of HGV,s.This point has been raised before on this forum.Even if in some cases it does take a mile to overtake a slower vehicle,which yes it does as we all know,progress is still being made.Why should a driver be prosocuted for doing his job,when an EEC law dictates what speed HGV,s travel at,yet coach,s carry on at 80mph with no mention of speeding.Two standards maybe?
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And about time!! 4 years 1 month ago #300126

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Steve.Firstly the autobahns do have speed limits with large strenches governed throughout the day.

As for the truck taking over another truck legally,what would/ could the police do about that!infact frankly yes it could take a mile for one truck to pass another, but there is no law against that. Mind you much more than that and i too think its taking the .

And no mention of the middle lane hugger! who seems to think the inside lane is solely for trucks!and at times even travels slower than the faster hgvs sitting there at 54/55 mph! and causes the huge tail backs when trucks start to stack up behind them, then people like you only see the slow hgv going head to head with another hgv!and assume its always down to them being only a fraction faster than the truck on the inside!



In Germany from what I have observed on 2 lane m/ways trucks and caravans have to use the inside lane only, but trucks at least[maybe caravans too] can use the second lane when the M/way becomes 3 lanes.
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A lot of the problem is that there is a heck of a lot of ignorance amongst drivers. Years ago, (in the good old days when there were Traffic Departments, and those of us who were interested were judged on the quality of work, not the quantity - i.e. examining vehicles properly and finding numerous defects rather than "pinging" Mr Decent with a speed gun!), I remember hearing all kinds of excuses on the motorway, such as "I thought I could tow a twin axle at 70", or "I thought I could tow a twin axle in the outside lane", or "I thought I could tow a small trailer in the outside lane". All responses showing an ignorance to a simple law (in this case). Ignorance in the eyes of that law is no excuse.



Probably one of the most regularly broken laws is the speed limit for "Transit" type vans. How many of their drivers know that they are limited to 50 on a single carriageway road, 60 on a dual-carriageway, and 70 on a motorway? The answer, very few indeed. And what's more, most don't care because 99 times out of 100, they will get away with it. After all, speed cameras don't catch people overtaking on solid white lines, or driving dangerously, (which doesn't necessarily mean they are speeding).



At one time, Britain could be proud of its driving standards. From experience of driving abroad regularly, we now have an appalling standard!

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Steve.Firstly the autobahns do have speed limits with large strenches governed throughout the day.

As for the truck taking over another truck legally,what would/ could the police do about that!infact frankly yes it could take a mile for one truck to pass another, but there is no law against that. Mind you much more than that and i too think its taking the .

And no mention of the middle lane hugger! who seems to think the inside lane is solely for trucks!and at times even travels slower than the faster hgvs sitting there at 54/55 mph! and causes the huge tail backs when trucks start to stack up behind them, then people like you only see the slow hgv going head to head with another hgv!and assume its always down to them being only a fraction faster than the truck on the inside!



In Germany from what I have observed on 2 lane m/ways trucks and caravans have to use the inside lane only, but trucks at least[maybe caravans too] can use the second lane when the M/way becomes 3 lanes.
There are things that can be done with regards to LGV drivers taking milkes to overtake.



1. Driving without reasonable consideration for other road users.



2. Driving without due care and attention.

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"here are things that can be done with regards to LGV drivers taking milkes to overtake.



1. Driving without reasonable consideration for other road users.



2. Driving without due care and attention."





I think that is wishful thinking, in regards to the mass majority of over takes involving HGVs but more possible to apply to middle lane hoggers, which surprisingly is getting very little slating here, and is know to the driving agencies as a BIG problem.

As there is no time limit set on a over take,But more importantly were HGV vehicles to pull out at a more appropriate distance before actually starting there overtake. ie further back from the vehicle they are trying to overtake, I am happy to say those that moan would really have even more to moan about, and still the hgv vehicle would not be breaking any driving laws!



ATM most hgv drivers try to stay in the middle lane for the shortest period possible, if they followed the highway code to the letter, they would actually spend twice as long out in the middle lane, as they already do!



I agree there are many ignorant drivers out there, the vast majority never ever drive a lorry though.



And yes the only vans that can drive at car derived speed, are car derived vans ie corsa,old escort fiesta's that sort of thing.
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