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VJ Day 2 months 1 week ago #440351

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VJ Day 18th August came just 10 days after the worlds only use of atomic weapons.
I have real problems with understanding the minds that sanctioned this attack on mainly civilians.
What makes this worse is the fact that war was over in Europe using conventional means and the Japanese were isolated and in retreat.
It is understandable why a lot of people see atomic weapons are dangerous for the whole of mankind.
More worrying its not who owns them but who controls them and their understanding of true situation rather than making decisions based of false propaganda.

Winston Churchil said “Meeting jaw to jaw is better than war.'
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VJ Day 2 months 1 week ago #440353

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GD485 wrote:
Sorry to drag up an old post particularly as it refers to such a tragic waste.
I have recently retired and finally got down to some serious reading regarding the two wars.
I too find it distressing to think of the millions of people that lost their life due to mis-informed thinking guided by the lies and contorted views of a few with power to convince.
Now we find ourselves in that same situation where a few distorted visions of the current and future situation has led to decision that may have detrimental effect on the vast majority of the population.
Why haven’t we leant?
The second world war came about partly as a result of the terms demanded by the victorious 'Great Powers' in the Treaty of Versailles.
The rise of Hitler could have been stopped much earlier, but Britain and France had embraced policies of disarmament after the flower of European manhood had perished in the fields of Flanders.
The policies of appeasement, with the appeasers once described by Churchill as being 'one who feeds a crocodile, hoping that it will eat him last' can never do any good, appeasement only makes matters worse.
World peace is once again being threatened by a posturing megalomaniac dictator who commits vile atrocities against his own people without compunction.
Distorted visions or not, there's no doubt whatsoever that the current threat from this dictator is very real and any aggression should be firmly nipped in the bud before things can escalate out of control.
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VJ Day 2 months 1 week ago #440354

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Isn’t it the case of history repeating itself.
After the end of the Korean War the north was isolated and sanctioned because it was communist. That lead to the rise of an extreme government that used propaganda to convince the population that the USA and others were evil and trying to distroy them.
The world should have tried to negotiate rather that isolate.
It is obvious that outside powers that have their own dislike of western or USA policy are assisting Korea with its nuclear ambitions.
In my opinion the situation has been created from failed foreign policy of western governments trying to punish a country as retribution for a previous military action and its communist inclination.
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VJ Day 2 months 1 week ago #440372

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There was quite a few countries that wished to stay neutral in an attempt to stay out of WW2. Most of these countries had suffered badly during the first war and were struggling to recover. Denmark and Norway were invaded by the Nazi’s on the 9th April 1940. Next was Belgium, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg on 10th May ‘40.
Britain invaded neutral Iceland on the same day for strategic reasons.
I don’t consider being neutral necessarily a position of weakness but because of depleted resources of men, equipment and finance plus the the will of the people to remain peaceful were the main drivers in many countries decisions.
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VJ Day 2 months 1 week ago #440374

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camel wrote:
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Don't forget about Sweden in WW 2 they also stayed neutral but kept on supplying iron ore and ball bearings to the Krauts,

Kraut- definition (in your context) = deragotory.

I have no wish to engage in (nor will I continue to) discussion in this vein, move on camel, most of us already have, the future is ahead and hopefully better, reliving life in a quagmire is not for CARAVAN related topics.

Oops, perhaps I should not have said that :P

I'd rather have MPTLM's and nose weights, and that ain't no fun sometimes :)
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VJ Day 2 months 1 week ago #440377

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camel wrote:
What else do you not like can you give me a list and I'll try to remember it,

I'm not too keen on Pizza camel, but I have to admit that (after a stag outing when I overindulged), I did finish off most of my share :lol:
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VJ Day 2 months 1 week ago #440378

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Camel, you were asked to read and understand forum etiquette on 23rd September after I deleted previous abusive comments that you had submitted.
The word that you have repeatedly used in comments on this thread might have been ok during World War 2 but it is now considered to be a highly insulting, offensive, contemptuous disparaging term that is no longer acceptable for the reasons that I've stated.
No further warnings with regard to your online conduct will be given by me
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VJ Day 2 months 1 week ago #440383

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Anseo,
Thanks for the comments.
I do agree that derogatory comments have no place on this forum.
This discussion came about from the post about the waste of human life from ww1 with Parksy.
As most posts on this forum tend to become conversations that drift off the subject and this is under the heading of chit-chat which, in my understanding, doesn’t have to be Caravan related.
However I do understand your point and will not be adding anything more on this subject.
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VJ Day 2 months 1 week ago #440385

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GD485 wrote:
Anseo,
Thanks for the comments.
I do agree that derogatory comments have no place on this forum.
This discussion came about from the post about the waste of human life from ww1 with Parksy.
As most posts on this forum tend to become conversations that drift off the subject and this is under the heading of chit-chat which, in my understanding, doesn’t have to be Caravan related.
However I do understand your point and will not be adding anything more on this subject.

Not strictly accurate I'm afraid Geoff
Some considerable time ago (2015) I'd taken part in a commemorative service at Lichfield Cathedral to mark VJ day, and I'd shared this information with forum members on an entirely different topic
My original, which was never meant to spark a discussion about past events, had been copied and pasted as an original post to start this thread by a would-be spam merchant to test how our anti -spam systems work.
Naturally I deleted the plagiarised O.P, but this discussion has since opened as conversations often do.
This caravan forum stopped being a platform for any political viewpoint because of forum members at the time (now ex-members) who felt that they just had to push the boundaries of acceptability.
Over the past few years the forum calmed down, and became the informative and friendly caravan related resource that Practical Caravan Magazine deserves.
Because forum members in recent time have respected each other and kept within the boundaries set by forum etiquette, the rigid control that moderators once exercised has been relaxed slightly.
Unfortunately there always seems to be one person who decides that forum etiquette, that everybody agrees to abide by as a condition of membership, doesn't apply to them.
Boundaries are pushed, rules are broken and once again either Damian or myself have to start to delete user generated content, and to issue warnings.
For that reason, this topic is now locked and no further politically related discussions will take place on this forum
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VJ Day 2 months 1 day ago #440808

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Parksy, Just found out that in our village, Woburn Sands, we are having a memoriable plaque, for Henry Feilding who died at Passchendaele and the planting of an Oak tree, which was grown from an Acorn from the cemetery Belgium where he is buried.
Am I correct you are singing qt Passchendale.?
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The site must be around here somewhere.????
2014, Sante Fe, 2013 Coachman, 560, VOP, Woburn Sands , Milton Keynes
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