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Will the Diesel really Die? 1 year 2 months ago #452514

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This article in Caravan Times is very interesting.
Reading between the lines maybe there is a chance cleaner Diesels will be made :unsure:

www.caravantimes.co.uk/news/industry/why...tm?source=newsletter
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Will the Diesel really Die? 1 year 2 months ago #452518

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An interesting article, I noticed that Audi brought out a new Diesel Q7 , so they are not cutting back yet. I was looking at the new Sorento k4 and was interested to notice that it has fitted a Energy Regeneration system, basically when you take your foot of the accelerator the Sorento, recaptures the lost kinetic energy and uses it to recharge the battery, when the battery is fully charged the alternator is decoupled. And this is on a non hybrid engine.
I think we shall be pulling our Caravans with diesels for a long time yet.
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Will the Diesel really Die? 1 year 2 months ago #452520

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IMO all these strategic decisions are economically driven. ABBA got it right back in 1976. MONEY MONEY MONEY
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Will the Diesel really Die? 1 year 2 months ago #452521

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Good !
Cos im sick off reading & hearing about it now. "If"and only if it happens when it happens , it will happen !!
Until then .......
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Will the Diesel really Die? 1 year 2 months ago #452522

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The government is certainly after diesels but the reality may be that hitting them hard proves impossible but whatever you do is a gamble.
Those wishing to travel to Scotland should note that the government here is planning to basically price them out of the main cities in 2020. Plans are afoot for cameras to be set up like the London system and any diesel pre 2014 will either be banned or charged, the exact position is not clear at the moment. This would also apply to pre2006 petrol engines. The idea would then be rolled out to other smaller cities and towns. It is not a popular idea though so we will have to watch what happens but it could mean diesels areruled out here and a huge influx being moved to England with a serious drop in their value.
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Will the Diesel really Die? 1 year 2 months ago #452553

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Raywood wrote:
The government is certainly after diesels but the reality may be that hitting them hard proves impossible but whatever you do is a gamble.
Those wishing to travel to Scotland should note that the government here is planning to basically price them out of the main cities in 2020. Plans are afoot for cameras to be set up like the London system and any diesel pre 2014 will either be banned or charged, the exact position is not clear at the moment. This would also apply to pre2006 petrol engines. The idea would then be rolled out to other smaller cities and towns. It is not a popular idea though so we will have to watch what happens but it could mean diesels areruled out here and a huge influx being moved to England with a serious drop in their value.

Trouble is, like any UK governmental body, it is always hit hard rather than being more subtle. Remember that some of the worst pollution spots are in and around London - which is where government lives so what happens there must by default be the same everywhere else - at least it seems that that is how they think.*
Why cannot government do it the way that France and Germany have done so with much less cost. Simply issue every car with a sticker with a number on it that is related to its polluting levels. Then, when the smog gets bad simply light signs banning vehicles with stickers above/below a certain number. (In Germany the higher the number the less polluting, whereas in France the lower the pollution the lower the number.)
*Having just come back from the SE (specifically London and home counties south of the river) I now understand why roads in other parts of the country are full of potholes - there aren't any in said area ergo that must be the situation nationwide!
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Will the Diesel really Die? 1 year 2 months ago #452577

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EH52ARH wrote:
An interesting article, I noticed that Audi brought out a new Diesel Q7 , so they are not cutting back yet. I was looking at the new Sorento k4 and was interested to notice that it has fitted a Energy Regeneration system, basically when you take your foot of the accelerator the Sorento, recaptures the lost kinetic energy and uses it to recharge the battery, when the battery is fully charged the alternator is decoupled. And this is on a non hybrid engine.
I think we shall be pulling our Caravans with diesels for a long time yet.
My Superb does that too. It can makes for some interesting braking in certain situations when the regen cuts in.
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Will the Diesel really Die? 1 year 2 months ago #452608

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otherclive wrote:
EH52ARH wrote:
An interesting article, I noticed that Audi brought out a new Diesel Q7 , so they are not cutting back yet. I was looking at the new Sorento k4 and was interested to notice that it has fitted a Energy Regeneration system, basically when you take your foot of the accelerator the Sorento, recaptures the lost kinetic energy and uses it to recharge the battery, when the battery is fully charged the alternator is decoupled. And this is on a non hybrid engine.
I think we shall be pulling our Caravans with diesels for a long time yet.
My Superb does that too. It can makes for some interesting braking in certain situations when the regen cuts in.

Interesting , Mr Bond, . Fathers Day, talking with my youngest son exhaust design with jag land rover, left me feeling like a reall numpty. Which I suppose I am , nowadays. AMEL. 414541l. Dooooh.
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Will the Diesel really Die? 1 year 2 months ago #452620

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As diesels have been invented, Ill hazard a guess they will never completely die, I'm sure there are some applications where diesel will be tho only means by which what ever it is will work, but having said that, we will see the end of diesels in number of applications, and some of those will be in transport.

Like it or not, the UK government is going to make diesel car ownership disproportionately more expensive, and the public will have little choice but to move away from it. It will be interesting to see how diesel is developed over the next few years, but I seriously doubt they will come up with an IC diesel that is free from harmful emissions.
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Will the Diesel really Die? 1 year 2 months ago #452760

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I am very glad that we have stuck with our 2005 3.0l CRD which does not have a DPF. IMHO it is a load of nonsense about NOx etc as no scientist has been able to prove conclusively the relationship between NOx and people dying. At the moment is basically an assumption.
Those people would probably have died even if there were no vehicles on the road. I am not saying that we should all drive vehicles that pollute the air, but let's be realistic about it. My thinking is that the government and the councils have marked the motorist as an easy target just want to squeeze more out of the motorist through additional taxes!
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