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Nose weight 1 month 3 weeks ago #470385

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I think I know where I stand with towing and laws but as I have my third child on the way I will not be taking my B+E test, getting a new caravan and a new car!

I have a Hyundai Ix35 1.7 crdi and the nose load (tow bar capacity) is only 50kg

I have been looking at a bigger caravan as our old one had to go and it was just too small.

All of the caravans we are looking at are around 75kg nose weight! There is no way it could be reduced by 25kg

It's silly that it can tow 1200 MTPLM but not hold much weight on the tow ball. Unfortunately I purchased the car before getting my caravan so it was never really to tow.

We used our caravan loads going all over and staying at safari parks with the kids which they loved, but when I have mentioned it to friends they claim caravan is dying out, they four out of five of them have sold their caravans claiming the 3500 mam is too low, nobody wants to pay and do the test plus fork out for all the equipment. He bought a new car and the cheapest price he had for a new tow bar was 750 GBP, that was his decision to stop.


I am probably going to revert back to camping too, however my wife is heavily pregnant and we wound go within 12-18 months of their birth as we did in our caravan with both of our other two.

My question is is I found a lower nose weight how much could it be reduced by? I imagine something like 10kg max, I do not want the caravan swinging around, plus if I put the heavier items in the car then the car lowers then so will the alko hitch, reverting any changes

Many people believe they achieve a good reduced nose weight, but I don't see how it would be possible

Ideally I would like somebody to say, 'no problem, you can reduce the nose weight by 25kg!' Thanks! But realistically even 10-15 kg would be a good answer so I can look for a nose load of around 60kg in the hope of reducing it.


Thanks guys
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Nose weight 1 month 3 weeks ago #470386

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Thanks for the comprehensive description.
Have you checked the nose load figure with Hyundai?
www.thetowcarawards.com/tow-car/hyundai-ix35/
The above link , yes this Forum’s magazine, highly rated your vehicle as a tow car.They say the nose load is 75kgs. BUT do check with the manufacturer.,There should be a plate on the tow bar stating it’s manufacturer. Ask them too.
Auxiliary or upgraded suspension parts are also available. There are widely differing views on the types and their suitability. Again talk to Hyundai.
I am sure others will comment more but for now I’d try and establish the correct nose load for the car first. Good luck , three children is exactly what family caravanning is all about :)
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Nose weight 1 month 3 weeks ago #470388

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Thank you very much Dustydog!

It gives me something to look into, I thought it was going to be the end of the line but there might be hope.

All the best
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Nose weight 1 month 3 weeks ago #470390

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Sadly you will find the 1200kg max a much greater problem - for example a Sprite Alpine 2 berth has MTPLM of 1208kg, with capacity for 5 necessarily adding to weight and size of a bigger van. An interim could be a trailer tent or folding camper - usually providing 2 double beds off ground and facility for additional inner tents under the doubles or in the awning area.
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Nose weight 1 month 3 weeks ago #470391

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It’s worth looking at some older models eg Bailey Ranger, which are 4 berth and light weights , plenty of room with three youngsters. Plus a full size awning will go a long way for extra space.
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Nose weight 1 month 3 weeks ago #470393

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Thanks for you reply

I believe I can have the caravan plated at 1200kg? I know bailey do it for 60 GBP

The vans I am looking at are around the 1260 laden weight, 1050kg MIRO and I won't be loading much into it, I can weight my additional pieces and I am quite happy to make necessary sacrifices, I can't go over 3500 kg MAM either way

I think they have definitely made it difficult, although I appreciate that towing can be a dangerous game

A car with a load can be 3500kg plus a trailer with max mam of 4.25 tons but when towing ianything bigger it drops to 3.5 tons which is just that bit low, as you say

I was fortunate enough that the ix35 was so light and I was able to tow, but it is looking quite grim. On tow check it says the the caravan I like can't be towed because the towing capacity of the 1.7 is 50kg vertical weight on towing and the caravan is 75kg, however the link above contradicts that, but also says the towing limit is 1300kg when it is actually only 1200kg

Going to contact Hyundai today, I just don't think the 1.7 is great for towing, but my friends estate i40 is 2.5 tonnes!! He said he's done with caravaning too, sad really because when he had use of of mother-in-laws car he was away often, and he has an 8 month old daughter along with a 2 year old boy.

I live on an estate in the country and when I moved there everybody had a caravan, then it dropped down to 4, mine is gone, neighbour has swapped for a camper, mention above has thrown the tow in and the final one up the road has opted for static and sold his last month! Sad times, most people don't know they are illegally towing as we accept advise of our predessessors who could tow anything and drive 7.5 ton trucks

Thanks for your time and advice guys, it's much appreciated
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Nose weight 1 month 3 weeks ago #470401

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With five of you aboard I find it difficult to see how you could down plate to 1200 and have the capacity to carry what the family would need to. I cannot find details of any five berth caravans that are under 1200 MPTLM although you might find an older Bailey Ranger or similar but I am not sure.
I am not sure what caravan you have, but I do wonder if it might be possible to squeeze the baby in somewhere for the time being as it does not need a bed and reconsider your position a bit later when hopefully you will be able to look at replacing the car.
I do understand the problem as we started with two children and a lightweight four berth and another came along. We were able to get a Trophy Medallion then, which would have worked for you, but they are long gone and I doubt you will find even a second hand one as it would be 30 years or so old.
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Nose weight 1 month 3 weeks ago #470405

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Have you considered a folding camper like a Pennine. Some models are really big, and you effectively get two really large fixed beds as well as a nice lounge and kitchen. The weights vary but you can get a large model at 1000kg or less. I have been trying to find noseweight data, but I am struggling, however, I am sure a dealer could tell you.
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Nose weight 1 month 3 weeks ago #470406

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Good afternoon Mel

We have looked at a trailer tent, briefly, however my wife was against it.
She has friends who visited us on site in Weymouth and they loved our van and how much easier it was. I know everybody are different but I consider them similar to ourselves in many ways. They believed theirs looked very tired and the kids damaged it. Much like my awning it did take a little abuse.

It would definitely be camping other than caravaning, but it's going to be a couple of years before I get it back out!

We have a holiday with her entire family booked on the south coast this year and now I don't think that is going to happen.

I was contemplating getting a collapsible camper to begin with, other than my wife being against it I could store it at home. I also have a pug and a beagle, and they are much more contained in a caravan. If my beagle smelt the air infused with fat from a greasy bbq she would cut herself through any woven fibres to get to it. I had a retractable gate at home and she tore her way through it at bonfire night, £110 in the bin.

I haven't looked into anything at all today, I have a busy day at work, of course I can make time for all of you who have been so kind, I expected to have some aggressive replies and have to change my name whilst simultaneously going into hiding
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Nose weight 1 month 3 weeks ago #470462

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Towing Driving and safety area
MDemaine wrote:
Hi Guys

I think I know where I stand with towing and laws but as I have my third child on the way I will not be taking my B+E test, getting a new caravan and a new car!

I have a Hyundai Ix35 1.7 crdi and the nose load (tow bar capacity) is only 50kg

I have been looking at a bigger caravan as our old one had to go and it was just too small.

All of the caravans we are looking at are around 75kg nose weight! There is no way it could be reduced by 25kg

It's silly that it can tow 1200 MTPLM but not hold much weight on the tow ball. Unfortunately I purchased the car before getting my caravan so it was never really to tow.

We used our caravan loads going all over and staying at safari parks with the kids which they loved, but when I have mentioned it to friends they claim caravan is dying out, they four out of five of them have sold their caravans claiming the 3500 mam is too low, nobody wants to pay and do the test plus fork out for all the equipment. He bought a new car and the cheapest price he had for a new tow bar was 750 GBP, that was his decision to stop.


I am probably going to revert back to camping too, however my wife is heavily pregnant and we wound go within 12-18 months of their birth as we did in our caravan with both of our other two.

My question is is I found a lower nose weight how much could it be reduced by? I imagine something like 10kg max, I do not want the caravan swinging around, plus if I put the heavier items in the car then the car lowers then so will the alko hitch, reverting any changes

Many people believe they achieve a good reduced nose weight, but I don't see how it would be possible

Ideally I would like somebody to say, 'no problem, you can reduce the nose weight by 25kg!' Thanks! But realistically even 10-15 kg would be a good answer so I can look for a nose load of around 60kg in the hope of reducing it.


Thanks guys

It’s not as bleak as you may think!

Why do other peoples opinions about the popularity caravanning have to do with your needs or choices of how to holiday? Are you taking them along with you? If so, I think you may need an even bigger caravan!! Caravanning is still a popular valid choice and its none of their business how you do it.

It seems you may be working under a few misconceptions, so lets try and sort those out for you first.

Your biggest concern is the nose load allowances of your car which is limited to 50kg, and you have been looking at caravans with nose loads with 75kg. In both cases the figures you have been looking at are maximum limits, Nose loads are variable and they depend on how you load your trailer.

Caravans (and all domestic trailers) are rather like see-saw’s. Depending on where you put the load the caravan will try to tip in that direction. The more load at the front the greater the nose load will be. In fact it is this ability to change the nose load by repositioning the load within the trailer that is required to trim the nose load to the desired value.

Whilst the caravan manufacturer may offer a nose load “S”value, it will be the upper limit for the trailer. It is not a target value just a limit. SImilarly the car manufacturer also sets a maximum limit to preserve the integrity of the vehicle in neither case are you required to load up to the limits.

The EU construction and use regulations for vehicles requires the car manufacturer to establish a maximum towed weight limit and a maximum nose load limit for the tow bar. The regulations set out the nose load limit for a tow bar must accept an absolute minimum of 25kg, or a minimum of 4% of the trailers MTPLM. GIven your cars towed weight limit of 1200kg, 4% is 48kg, so the tow bars limit is well within the legal requirements.

Choosing a working nose load value. It is well established that towing stability is significantly impaired if insufficient nose load is used. Generally caravanners tend to find that they need to set a nose load towards the top of their available capacity. However once enough nose load has been created, there is little benefit in adding more. So I suggest starting at 75% of capacity (in your case 75% of 50 = 37.5) carefully trying it and if necessary increase it a little until handling cause no undue concern.

Don’t give up yet, just take care.
Unless I use quotes, All advice and opinions given are my own and are given in good faith. Never act on anything you read on a forum unless you can validate and verify its source and content.
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