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A matter of age. 2 years 7 months ago #350882


Hi all, I am relatively new to Caravanning, only started again in 2009. I wanted to see if I enjoyed it as much as I did when my Daughter was little, so I went to a dealers and look at the bargain section I didn’t want to spend a fortune on something I might not like doing anymore. I came across a 1992 2 birth Lunar Clubman 475-2CK It had everything the newer caravans had at the fraction of the cost, I did  notices that the offside panel around the kitchen area had a few little holes in it due to corrosion,  it was nothing in the scheme of thing it was just down to age. So I had it all checked out including a damp test and bought it. After getting use to towing again, I took the plunge and me and the wife took off for a week to try it out. Having joined the Caravan Club we book in to one of their sites, and that is where it all went downhill.  I felt like we had just landed on an Allan planet, the looks and stairs we got when we drove though the park to find our spot was unbelievable, it was only later I realised it was the caravan they were looking at. Sorry if this upset anyone but it did upset us that’s for sure, we were treated by some not all, like we had the pelage. Now I was going to sell the caravan as soon as we got home and forget it altogether, but the time we spent in the caravan we loved, so we decided we would buy a more up to date caravan, but all the time I was thinking why should I, what is wrong with the one we have, shore it is old but it does the same as all the other caravans.  So we talk about it again and decided to keep it and sod them all. I am no longer a member of the caravan club I feel very bitter at the way we were treated, I now just go to sites that are privately owned and where the people welcome you no matter how old your caravan is.   
 I love my old Lunar Caravan I wouldn’t swap it for any of the new ones.  So I was just wondering has anybody else been treated the same or was we just unlucky. I won’t name the site on here I don’t believe in doing that it is unfair on the people that run it. I did complain to the caravan club you can probably guest there reply.      
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A matter of age. 2 years 7 months ago #350883


Well done on your decision to keep the van you like and sod them all!
It really annoys me that some members of the Caravan Club can be so damned prissy and for you to be treated in that way is inexcusable.
A cravan, no matter what make, age or cost is simply a box on wheels.
It does not matter if you spend £100 or £100,000 on it, its still a box on wheels.
 
I would not be put off by the reaction , in fact I would feel very smug that MY van is doing exactly the same as thiers at a fraction of the cost.
I encounter less than favourable reactions to my outfit as it is a Hobby(Instantly think Traveller) and I have 2 Lurchers (instantly think Traveller), a Great Dane (instantly think OMG) and a Boston Terrier (think what you like).
In fact last year a couple on a C&CC site went to the warden to get him to evict "The Travellers" on the pitch next to them (Us as it happens!!)
I cannot be bothered to dispel the illusion and explain that we do OWN the van and PAID for it legally, and we actually DOO have a normal house , all paid for at home.
I like to keep them worrying, and when the Lurchers come back after a walk, complete with rabbit they caught, it just makes me laugh at the reaction of some.
 
Keep enjoying YOUR van and enjoy your times away in it, and dont be put off by those who obviously never started out on a budget and never bought a cheaper caravan.
Maybe they were never young either, just appeared on the planet as bigoted grumps.
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A matter of age. 2 years 7 months ago #350884

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Hi Lunar Looney
We had a Lunar Clubman with the centre kitchen and the end washroom with the little dressing area next to the n/s rear wardrobe, it was one of our favourite caravans before we eventually bought an Abbey fixed bed model.
Why would anybody spend mega bucks on a new caravan if they are not sure that caravanning is for them?  You did exactly the right thing.
We do have posts from owners of older caravans who complain of being treated differently or ostracised by fellow campers from time to time but in all honesty how can you be 100% sure that CC members were staring because of the age of your caravan?
People naturally have a look when someone drives onto a campsite, it's human nature to be curious and it might just be that you feel slightly intimidated and put the reason down as the age or type of caravan that you own when there is no real evidence to suggest that this is why people had a look at you.
I'm not a member of the Caravan Club but have visited friends on CC sites (without our caravan) from time to time and people looked at us when we drove past in our car, parked up and walked to our friends caravan.
I don't have a big sign stamped on my brow which say's NON MEMBER and I'm not easily intimidated so I put it down to mere curiosity and nothing more.
People on sites are perhaps not as ready to hold conversations as they were years ago which might also explain the mute stares, we are members of 'The Friendly Club' but we don't go on holiday particularly to make friends although I could probably talk a glass eye to sleep.
Enjoy your caravan and don't worry about other people, as long as you're not making a lot of noise and nuisance you have as much right as anyone else to camp anywhere you like.
Why not come to the Practical Caravan readers rally at Stowford in May? It's held on a commercial site at bargain prices and you can be certain of a warm welcome!
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A matter of age. 2 years 7 months ago #350885

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Hi Lunar Looney
We do have posts from owners of older caravans who complain of being treated differently or ostracised by fellow campers from time to time but in all honesty how can you be 100% sure that CC members were staring because of the age of your caravan?
People naturally have a look when someone drives onto a campsite, it's human nature to be curious and it might just be that you feel slightly intimidated and put the reason down as the age or type of caravan that you own when there is no real evidence to suggest that this is why people had a look at you.
 
I agree with Parksy, it's only natural to look at a caravan passing or someone walking past whether sat in the van or outside. If I'm outside and someone walks by I say hello if they make eye contact or if a caravan passes I look at it out of interest, not too see what condition it's in. If birds come down to my feeders I will watch them or maybe take in the scenic views if there are any. It's normal behaviour isn't it? We have to look at something unless when a caravan approaches we poke our noses into a book so that we don't offend someone.
The only other option is to keep the caravan blinds down or wear blinkers. Maybe there's a nice little earner there in selling blinkers 

Sorry but I think that you are being just a tiny bit paranoid needlessly. It's the occupants of the caravan that matter, not what caravan they own.

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A matter of age. 2 years 7 months ago #350886

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We used to take our eighteen year old Elddiss to Caravan Club sites, and never had a problem.  Yes, people looked, but I didn't think it was because of the age of the van.  We thought it was lovely, so I honestly didn't care what anyone else thought.  It wasn't the prettiest of vans outside, looking back on it, it still  had glass windows, the odd bit of 'decal' missing, and the paintwork was no longer shiny, but none of that mattered a bit to us - and nor, to be honest, did it appear to matter to anyone on site.  It was our little piece of heaven.   We never had any comments, bad or good, our neighbours were as friendly as caravanners generally are, and our first day on site, we got plenty of help to put up the awning.
If you're self-concious about the age of your van, then if people look, you might assume that they are looking and thinking 'What's that old thing doing here' but I honestly don't think people think like that at all.  They're just interested, just nosey, and you would attract the same interest if you'd driven in with a straight from the showroom caravan.
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A matter of age. 2 years 7 months ago #350887

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Hey, LL, your caravan is positively brand new compared to mine! I tow a 1979 Royale with a 1993 Range Rover, but, the outfit is normally in superb condition, and the only attention it gets is generally from people wanting to see it!
I did get a similar reaction to yours once though, on a CC site in York, but that was probably because the whole outfit was at the end of a very strenuous 12 week European tour, and was not looking its best!
On that site I met some friends of our friends, who had a brand new outfit, which he admitted had cost him around £60,000.He also said that he changed his car every three years, and his van at five years.
I pointed out that mine had cost me less than £5,000 twelve years ago, and therefore I had at least £55,000 more than him to spend on using my outfit. This made him stop and think a bit!
Btw, none of his super expensive kit had ever been out of the UK, and was only used for five or six weeks a year.Mine spends at least six weeks in Europe every year, and is used for around twenty weeks a year.
Don't be intimidated by super-snobs, LL; just think as I do. Yours is probably all paid for, and will do for you exactly as theirs will do for them, without a huge mortgage to pay for it.
Nil carborundum illegitamate! Go forth and enjoy.

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A matter of age. 2 years 7 months ago #350888

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Hello Lunar
Our first caravan was more than 15 years old, the second around 8 years old, the third and fourth were brand new although, like Damian's, of a make that is quite often associated with travellers (and the 4th was a twin axle, horror of horrors!!
).  We had many fabulous holidays in them and loved them all (despite a close friend of ours, who ought to have known better, persistently referring to our beloved 4th caravan as a 'p***y' van
).  We were Caravan Club members and almost always stayed on Club sites, I can't say as we ever encountered any adverse comments or stares.....or maybe we were just thick-skinned!
Who cares what others (who don't even know you and thus whose opinion doesn't matter a jot) think?  You love your van, get out and enjoy it, that's why you bought it, right?  I wouldn't take the slightest bit of notice of the stares (real or, forgive me, imagined) of others.  And even if they do stare, you don't actually know what they're thinking (unless you're a mind reader, of course
).  Don't let it put you off, Lunar.
Anyway, I'm dead jealous, we don't actually have a caravan anymore, due to circumstances
SUE
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A matter of age. 2 years 7 months ago #350889

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Not wishing to put you off but nearly everyone get's looked at when they drive on site. As LB has stated for a lot it is just a csae of seeing who is arriving. For others it is probably just to break up their dull dreary lives. There is also 2 other lots
 
1 Those who are ready for a laugh as you try to manovere onto the pitch (naturally my first time reverse manouvre silences this)

But it does normally mean I miss out on
2 A lot of people actively look out on sites to see who needs a bit of help. I have done it myself watching someone try to connect the aquaroll to the waste pipes I tend to go over and see if they need a help. JUust wait till you buy your first awning and stand there with the instructions. Advice will come by the bucket load but not from me as I will be getting the chair ready with beer in hand for the great entertainment about to unfold
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A matter of age. 2 years 7 months ago #350890


hi LL,
I can only echo what others have written, and can assure you that the stares you recieve when joining a site has nothing to do with the age of your van, just curiosity!! everyone does it, i'll bet you do once your settled on to your pitch and someone else turns up, bit like traveling on a bus when you first get on everyone looks at you!!  (exept for the spotty kid playing with his iphone with ear phones in) once your seated you become invisable untill you get up to get off.
 
Untill we got our present van new in 2005 we allways had old ones some were very old infact a couple of them would have made Emmersons look modern but never in the 40 years of caravanning have we ever had a problem in fact just the opposite look around next time your on site the older vans tend to be owned by seasoned veterans towed by a older "or mobility car" usually have one or two dogs and an air of knowing exactly what they are doing, do you think they ever worry what some others think about thier outfit the posts so far should give you a clue.
just enjoy your van and the time you spend in it, you never know in 10 or 15 years time you may well be writing a answer in a post on some forum telling some newbie not to worry about their perseived observations.
one final point and here is a tip from a veteran
  the next time you pull on to a site and someone appears to stare at you look them straight in the eye, wave and say hello!! see what reaction you get, you will be supprised what breaking the ice can do.
colin,

 
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A matter of age. 2 years 7 months ago #350891

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Hi.  Welcome to the forum.  I agree with LB et al.  I love looking at other peoples outfits: mainly because they may have had a great idea or a piece of kit that i haven't thought of.  Asking folks questions about their van, awning and so on is a great way to start a conversation. 
Also we have a new van, our mates have a 1980 something (no-one knows exactly how old it is!)van that they got for no money to speak of.  We both have great holidays.  Nuff said.
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